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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:48:40 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Leave Miss Kim alone!
So she would also leave us alone!
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.27 01:17:42 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:The Commander and I have discussed these matters on several occasions. I respect her greatly and while I think she would bristle at the suggestion, I consider us friendly acquaintances - actual friendship seems moot at this juncture.
The idea that "freedom" means a total lack of restraint is not an uncommon misconception within the State, an error that I believe stems from liberties taken with early translations of Gallente political works. The point with which I like to counter is that in a society defined by its laws, an individual who behaves in accordance with these laws is simply doing as they are told. In a society without such strictures, the individual who follows a path of decency and kindness is doing so out of conscience. It is only when we are free to be bad that we can truly be good.
There is freedom. And then there is anarchy.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:41:41 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Quattras Peione wrote:The idea that "freedom" means a total lack of restraint is not an uncommon misconception within the State Yes it is. It's incredibly uncommon, to the point of the person in question being the only Caldari capsuleer who has ever espoused it.
Because otherwise how could she continue to convince herself that the Gallenteans aren't humans?
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 09:57:07 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:Just because a society is free in its own way does not mean that its concept of said freedom will match another's. We have always accepted personal freedom as a given, and not a cause to be rallied behind. If you haven't noticed, we are a very practical people. As such, the idea of "freedom" as a goal was somewhat alien to us. Keep in mind that this dates from when our two cultures first interacted, and my own was still emerging from the dark ages.
Commander Kim shows here what we in the academic community would call "confirmation bias." She has sources for her ideas, but they are all conveniently chosen to go along with her very narrow world-view. Pretty much anything that made the Heth regime's "approved reading material" list.
Yep. Exactly that. She really isn't that different from a kooky cultist or a single-star universe adherent. I sure hope she doesn't become anything like the latter. Single-Starrers are insane!
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 15:10:59 -
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Haria Haritimado wrote:Thank you all, for your replies. I'm surprised, that this topic is still frequented after some not so favourable replies in the beginning. I start to realize, though, that the discussion circles around only two aspects of the initial title. Patriotism (freedom) and Strike Commander Diana Kim. Maybe the notoriety is not about DIana Kim but her constant reappearance as a subject of discussions. I would like to underline the third aspect which is not so prominent in the discussion until now: hope.
As one of the first answerer said: Leave Diana Kim alone. I'm inclined to read this as the invitation to look ahead, past Diana Kim, and at each other. If the Strike Commander is right and she's foretelling the future correctly, war between Gallante and Caldari will be inevitable. And inevitable will be the need to prepare for war, technically and emotionally. I would like to ask you: what is our responsibility as capsuleers in regard to this prospect? Read 'hope' as a puny attempt to encourage dialogue.
Cross the borders between rival nations or factions as long as it is still possible for you. Stop by, have a look at the details of everyday life of the perceived 'adversaries'. How are their citizens and our citizens are actually living on planets, colonies, and stations? Where are differences, where are similarities? Maybe you even consider pairing up with someone who just objected your own ideas in this very discussion. Maybe go ahead and invite him or her personally. We are a small and benefited community and personal relationships are the best and strongest ties in order to shape future conflicts in mutual interest and understanding. It is my belief that we capsuleers may have an impact on future conflicts. But even more impact on how we solve it with reason and awareness.
H. Haritimado
You should, perhaps, forward this message to Diana Kim.
Also, unless you had been living under a rock, the State and the Feds had just left war and are trying to make nice with each other. Both sides are currently war-weary, and the State especially is sick of Heth and the Provist. It's only Kim who seem to insist that the war must continue.
And yes, those who had dealt with Kim personally are also sick of having to hear her going on and on and on about how the Gallenteans are subhumans worthy of genocide and that she just keeps. Hijacking. Discussions. You should perhaps sit down opposite of her and listen to her talk for about 30 minutes. If she doesn't start rabble-rousing, sneak in the word 'Gallente' or 'Freedom' and then hit the bottle.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.02 01:35:21 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Haria Haritimado wrote: As one of the first answerer said: Leave Diana Kim alone. I'm inclined to read this as the invitation to look ahead, past Diana Kim, and at each other. If the Strike Commander is right and she's foretelling the future correctly, war between Gallante and Caldari will be inevitable. And inevitable will be the need to prepare for war, technically and emotionally. I would like to ask you: what is our responsibility as capsuleers in regard to this prospect? Read 'hope' as a puny attempt to encourage dialogue.
I fail to see any inevitability as regards foreign policy of the Caldari State when its domestic politics in recent history has no real basis in any form of certainty. The Caldari State in the past almost decade has the dubious distinction of being the only society in which large segments of its population have officially been traitors, then patriots, and sometimes to again be traitors only to be patriots. For example, someone like Diana Kim could be said to be a patriot, but only in the period in which Tibus Heth was also a patriot and State Executor from YC 110 until Tibus Heth was a traitor in YC 115 at Haatamo. Of course, Tibus Heth was himself a traitor before he was a patriot and State Executor due to his having lead the revolt at Piak. Much like the rioters at Kassigainen and the Brothers of Freedom were traitors for doing much the same until under the CPD they were patriots and the vanguards of the New Meritocracy -- and today are again traitors. Even Mens Reppola and Ishukone as a whole were implied to be traitors to the State due to their lack of support of the CPD until they are now patriots for negotiating with the Federal Senate over Arcurio and Caldari Prime -- no wait, they might still be traitors due to that, or perhaps they are patriots... who knows, the whole Patriot-Traitor political superpositions in the Caldari State probably needs better explanation with Quantum Mechanics and as such I think only a fool would talk of any sort of certainty or inevitability due to it.
I guess stuff like that can happen when every aspect of life is governed by the upper echelons of corporate society. Including the media.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.02 06:20:56 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:I guess stuff like that can happen when every aspect of life is governed by the upper echelons of corporate society. Including the media. As a member of the FDU, you'll certainly understand what it's like to live in a world governed by the news cycle. But nothing about life in the State, I assure you. So, if you have specific questions, just ask them and be assured that, otherwise, the least you say the smartest you look.
I actually turn off the news for most parts and only tune in for a digest once a week. Most of the news in Gallente Federation is rubbish. Way too much sensationalisation and matters of no consequence.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.02 14:57:20 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:I guess stuff like that can happen when every aspect of life is governed by the upper echelons of corporate society. Including the media. As a member of the FDU, you'll certainly understand what it's like to live in a world governed by the news cycle. But nothing about life in the State, I assure you. So, if you have specific questions, just ask them and be assured that, otherwise, the least you say the smartest you look. I actually turn off the news for most parts and only tune in for a digest once a week. Most of the news in Gallente Federation is rubbish. Way too much sensationalisation and matters of no consequence.
Just to add though. I can't ask specific questions about the State because I do not know what to ask at all. I do not really know anything about the State beyond the surface info regarding corporate meritocracies and such; things anyone who has heard of the State would also know.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.09 02:18:20 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:You know what shocks and amazes most about this thread? Kim is mentioned repeatedly and she still hasn't posted in here....
She's probably busy writing anti-Gallente pamphlets. I can't imagine it being easy writing enough to distribute to every State citizen.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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